I totally agree with you on that. That's what's so killer about the AVO setup. It runs just 5 pounds of boost and hooks up that much power. One of the vendors here has it on his car, Sean @ Rally Tech I think, maybe he can tell us a little about how reliable his car has been. The truth is I’m concerned with bang for the buck. I’m not a rich guy or I would be driving a Corvette or a Porsche not a Subaru. Now correct me if I’m wrong, and it’s very possible that I am, but if you put a good turbo kit on our cars you will be making more go for less doe right? What’s a J-spec motor? $7000? and a 6 speed? another $7000. All to put out less than 300 horsepower. Sorry but that’s flat ass stupid and a waste of money. I’m an old V8 guy and if you knew what kind of car, let alone drive train, I could build for $14,000 you would shit yourself.