[Templar]

Hello all,

I just spoke on the phone with Scooby South, who as you may know is now working with Prestige Motorsports. He has made contact with one of the premier suspension manufacturers in the world about producing kits for the Impreza (old and new body style) and he asked me a few survey questions about what I would like to see in a suspension kit for our cars.

Then he asked me if I would post the same survey here and get your input on the matter. They have a meeting next week with the president of this company and would like to present our opinions to him. This is a very good opportunity for us to get exactly what we want in a high end suspension for our cars.

1. How many way adjustable would you like the struts to be minimum?

2. Would you prefer single adjustable (damping only) or do you need dual adjustable (seperate rebound and damping)?

3. What diameter Piston would you like to see used in the struts?

4. Do you prefer an inverted or standard strut design?

5. What Spring Rates would you like to see?

6. Does it need to have brake line brackets or do you care?

7. Does it need to be a coil over?

8. If it is a coil over, how much height adjustment would you like to see?

9. Does it need to have camber plates or strut mounts included?

10. How much would you be willing to pay for a complete, single adjustable kit?

11. How much would you be willing to pay for a complete, dual adjustable kit?

12. If a coil over, should it be progressive rates or linear with helper springs?

13. Do the struts need to be rebuildable?

 

[Templar]

Here are my responses.

1. 15 way adjustment minimum

2. I would like to see both available, but if only one is an option, then single way.

3. Minimum 35mm piston diameter

4. Inverted design

5. 375-400 lbs front /300-350 lbs rear

6. Yes.

7. Yes

8. from Stock height down to minus two inches

9. Yes

10. Up to around $1700

11. Up to around $2500

12. Linear with helper springs

13. Yes they should be rebuildable

 

[STiShawn]

agreed, what Templar said.

 

[Angel]

agreed with the pair of them


Tara

 

[pleiades]

1. How many way adjustable would you like the struts to be minimum?

10-15

2. Would you prefer single adjustable (damping only) or do you need dual adjustable (seperate rebound and damping)?

Double Adjustable

3. What diameter Piston would you like to see used in the struts?

40mm

4. Do you prefer an inverted or standard strut design?

Inverted

5. What Spring Rates would you like to see?

Optional

6. Does it need to have brake line brackets or do you care?

Perferably

7. Does it need to be a coil over?

Yes

8. If it is a coil over, how much height adjustment would you like to see?

+1 inch over stock to -2.5 inches under stock

9. Does it need to have camber plates or strut mounts included?

Optional

10. How much would you be willing to pay for a complete, single adjustable kit?

$1300

11. How much would you be willing to pay for a complete, dual adjustable kit?

$2300

12. If a coil over, should it be progressive rates or linear with helper springs?

Linear with Helper Springs

13. Do the struts need to be rebuildable?

Absolutly

 

[Aspen_2.5RS]

suspensions

I'm in agreement with what Templar stated. And if possible really undercut the competition on prices.

Aspen_2.5RS

 

[Warp3]

1. How many way adjustable would you like the struts to be minimum?

At least 10.

2. Would you prefer single adjustable (damping only) or do you need dual adjustable (seperate rebound and damping)?

Could live with either but prefer dual.

3. What diameter Piston would you like to see used in the struts?

40mm-50mm

4. Do you prefer an inverted or standard strut design?

Inverted (stronger and less unsprung weight)

5. What Spring Rates would you like to see?

Several (to fit various applications)

6. Does it need to have brake line brackets or do you care?

Preferred but not a deal breaker.

7. Does it need to be a coil over?

Yes.

8. If it is a coil over, how much height adjustment would you like to see?

1 inch over stock to 2 inches under stock

9. Does it need to have camber plates or strut mounts included?

Available as an optional feature.

10. How much would you be willing to pay for a complete, single adjustable kit?

$1500

11. How much would you be willing to pay for a complete, dual adjustable kit?

$2100

12. If a coil over, should it be progressive rates or linear with helper springs?

Not a clue :lol:

13. Do the struts need to be rebuildable?

Yes!!!

 

[Scooby South]

thanks Guys....

Thanks to Kent for helping out...I didn't have access at the time to a puter to put it up myself...I need all the input I can get for you guys....so PLEASE take the time to fill it out....

1. How many way adjustable would you like the struts to be minimum?

15-25

2. Would you prefer single adjustable (damping only) or do you need dual adjustable (seperate rebound and damping)?

Definately Dual Adjustable..Especially helpful to fine tune your suspension....

3. What diameter Piston would you like to see used in the struts?

40-45

4. Do you prefer an inverted or standard strut design?

No matter to me on this one...but inverted sounds cool...and probably more functional than a standard type.

5. What Spring Rates would you like to see?

Hmmmmmm..to start off with...AutoX specials...
425 Frt....350-375 Rear

6. Does it need to have brake line brackets or do you care?

Agree With Warp3 on this one...Preferred but not a deal breaker.

7. Does it need to be a coil over?
Definately ...No other choices are even close

8. If it is a coil over, how much height adjustment would you like to see?

Again agree with Shane..1 inch over stock to 2 inches under stock

9. Does it need to have camber plates or strut mounts included?

I like this as an optional feature also.

10. How much would you be willing to pay for a complete, single adjustable kit?

I would pay $1700-1800 for the Quality that this is going to be.

11. How much would you be willing to pay for a complete, dual adjustable kit?

Up to $2600..again the Quality comes to mind

12. If a coil over, should it be progressive rates or linear with helper springs?

I am sorta divided on this one.....but I definately think Helper springs is a good thing...

13. Do the struts need to be rebuildable?

I would EXPECT it....for sure..that way..updated valving and Piston rods could be easily exchanged to the updated specs as they come out...but it should be affordable too...

 

[Porter]

1. How many way adjustable would you like the struts to be minimum?

10 way minimum, 15-20way preferred

2. Would you prefer single adjustable (damping only) or do you need dual adjustable (seperate rebound and damping)?

Dual adjustable, or at least single adjustable that adjusts bound/rebound simultaneously.

3. What diameter Piston would you like to see used in the struts?

40mm minimum, 45-50 preferred

4. Do you prefer an inverted or standard strut design?

Inverted!

5. What Spring Rates would you like to see?

Optional rates, but 350f/275r for me if linear... see progressive below

6. Does it need to have brake line brackets or do you care?

Not necessary... nice but not critical

7. Does it need to be a coil over?

Yes

8. If it is a coil over, how much height adjustment would you like to see?

+1in over stock and -2in below stock

9. Does it need to have camber plates or strut mounts included?

It would be nice to have this as an option.

10. How much would you be willing to pay for a complete, single adjustable kit?

$1600

11. How much would you be willing to pay for a complete, dual adjustable kit?

$2200

12. If a coil over, should it be progressive rates or linear with helper springs?

High rate progressive... linear is nice for autox work, but I think a high spring rate progressive would be more versatile... say 300-450 front, 250-375 rear?

13. Do the struts need to be rebuildable?

Yes

 

[10th Warrior]

basically what pleiades said. there should be some options on spring rates/lengths. +1"/-2" should be a good range of adjustment. templar's choices are good for the street, but they would run into issues offroad. oh, and 40mm diameter would work, though i'd want to see 45-50.

 

[ivbdn]

I'm with Aspen

 

[Templar]

Come on folks. We know there are more of you out there. This is still going on and they are working with the manufacturer. Give us some more opinions.

 

[scotty305]

I would want a competent street setup. By street, I mean a mixture of smooth mountain roads, crappy chunked-up and not maintained well mountain roads, and the occasional auto-X. I want to be able to drive on crappy streets, over railroad tracks, etc.. without the slightest fear of messing up my nice suspension that I just paid a lot of money for.

It's important to me that the range of adjustments makes a noticeable difference. I don't want it to adjust from 'way too stiff' to 'still pretty stiff, but not as stiff as before.' Please put the time into this product so that even the pickiest buyers will not be able to find fault. Word of mouth is very important here on the internet.

Inverted struts (unsprung weight), big pistons (longevity & sturdiness), and a height adjustability (+1"/ -2" for versatility) is pretty much necessary.

Dual adjustable would be nice, but I'd settle for single adjustable, especially if the price is significantly lower. I'm still a student on a budget. Brake line brackets are a good thing. They would give the product a more professional, high-quality image. "hey, nice coilovers, and a what creative use of zip-ties and duct tape on the brake lines..."

Camber plates should available as an option, so that I could buy the system in pieces, upgrading as I can afford to.

I'd like the price to be kept closer to $1000 than to $1500, unless it's bound/rebound adjustable with huge pistons and a whole lot of height adjustment.

-scott-

 

[spshultz]

OK, I am quite new to the whole Coil Over deal. I would be considered a street person who might want to take it off road on a few occassions.

1. How many way adjustable would you like the struts to be minimum?

A: At least 10

2. Would you prefer single adjustable (damping only) or do you need dual adjustable (seperate rebound and damping)?

A: Prefer dual but single would suffice

3. What diameter Piston would you like to see used in the struts?

A: 40mm is a good start

4. Do you prefer an inverted or standard strut design?

A: Inverted

5. What Spring Rates would you like to see?

A: Large range for street/track/rally

6. Does it need to have brake line brackets or do you care?

A: Brakets would be nice

7. Does it need to be a coil over?

A: Yes

8. If it is a coil over, how much height adjustment would you like to see?

A: Have to go with 1" over to 2" under

9. Does it need to have camber plates or strut mounts included?

A: Could be options

10. How much would you be willing to pay for a complete, single adjustable kit?

A: About $500 - $800

11. How much would you be willing to pay for a complete, dual adjustable kit?

A: $1000 - $1600

12. If a coil over, should it be progressive rates or linear with helper springs?

A: Progressive

13. Do the struts need to be rebuildable?

A: Would be nice

 

[MistaRS]

What Porter said.

 

[ravent]

1) any adjustability must be noticeable...LEDA has 24 adjustments and 6-8 of them make a difference

2)compression and rebound MUST be available

3)40 -50mm inverted piston for street or track...offroad is 50-60mm

4)inverted

5)"Standard" (see eibach or ...) diameter springs so change is easy and cheaper...someone else already did your springs for you.

6)brake brackets, but not so you have to remove the brake line to take them off.

7)coil over YES...car must be corner weighted for best control.

8)2" over and under for height

9)camber plates optional

10)not interested

11)$2-3000 if system is rebuildable is reasonable

12)see number 5...flexibility is the key as all people do not want the same thing

13)If they are not rebuildable then they are not worth designing...there are plenty of that type now. Struts DIE at about 40K miles (I do not want to hear from anyone how they have had the same struts for 100K miles unless they can show me some auto-X times that are competitive). If you are not replacing your struts by 40K miles then you are on the wrong forum... go to the "Grandmother/ Soccer Mom/ SUV Forum"and stay off the road! If the "new" struts are rebuildable then you don't have to throw away all the good engineering, just the tired parts.

 

[scotty305]

So how are things going? Will the coilovers be available sometime this year?

-scott-

 

[ampsarus got owned by RS25.com]

I would pay $1000-$1200 (4 corners) for ANY of the specs listed above! I'm riding on 44K mile OEM parts, and the struts are gone!
I'll leave the details to you experts...count me in!

 

[NomadTW]

just about what everyone else said but i'd like to emphisize the heigh adjustment of at least 1+ and 2-
and being able to adjust from hard to soft, not hard to rock hard.
and 1200-1500 is reasonable for single adjustment for me
i take my car through a variety of terrain, and the one or more + inches over hiehgt is very important to me,

without it i would not buy

 

[Templar]

Well, it looks like this is not going to happen. Apparently they just don't feel an overwhelming need to do this, so they aren't going to. Oh well. It would have been nice if we could have made it happen.