Easy and cheap engine management... Is there such a thing? - Subaru Impreza GC8 & RS Forum & Community: RS25.com

jeffesaurusrex · 06-23-2009, 11:13 AM

I've been studying engine management options for my turbo kit. I haven't decided whether I am going to get a Ludespeed kit or try and build a kit from OEM parts + aftermarket up/downpipes but that isn't the issue here... What I am wondering about is what can I do for an ECU?

Previously I was looking at keeping the stock ECU and buying a J&S safeguard, maybe S-AFC and calling it a day but I was looking at this PerfectPower 6 ECU and I got to thinking: does this have knock control or similar already onboard? If so I can use this and it will be much less ghetto.

I was thinking about getting this PP6 and the 2.5bar map sensor instead of voltage clamp, but i don't know if I can do it or not. Is it plug and play or do I have to wire the entire thing up? I am confident in my mechanical ability as far as getting the turbo installed/oil and coolant ran/ect but when it comes to electrical I fear I am fucked.

Is there anything that is plug n play for under 600 bucks (about what I was going to spend for J&S safeguard/S-AFC)

TL;DR: What EM options do I have that aren't a million bucks and are pretty easy to do?

PS: Car is a 2000 2.5RS 5spd.

**maxboost81** · 06-23-2009, 11:18 AM

$600 could probably get you an ecotec tune or some other open source tune..

**Skidd** · 06-23-2009, 11:20 AM

I got an EManage Ultimate for $400 used off of ebay. Coupled with a $20 used GM 2-Bar MAP sensor.
The AEM F/IC is a "potential" option, if you're willing to risk the possibility of the misfire issue they have with "some" of our cars.

**OBSmines2010** · 06-23-2009, 11:30 AM

Where do you live?

I am close to getting my PP6 working. The problem is that Perfect Power has crappy wiring diagrams. I have good ones including the ECU pinout for your car I can send you.

**shaggie** · 06-23-2009, 11:31 AM

Search for megasquirt.

**OBSmines2010** · 06-23-2009, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shaggie

Search for megasquirt.

The megasquirt is a full standalone. I think he wants to do as little wiring as possible.

jeffesaurusrex · 06-23-2009, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OBSmines2010

The megasquirt is a full standalone. I think he wants to do as little wiring as possible.

Yes sir, and I live far away from anyone that could tune it (unless there is someone in Indianapolis, Chicago has a place but Chicago is 4hrs from here).

Someone has offered me a Greddy Emanage all pre wired, do I need knock control with this?

Also I didn't know about the misfire problem, thanks for the info. I need to avoid getting something that doesn't work because I'm on a limited budget, if I buy something that doesn't work it will screw me up and I will have to wait to finish it and I can't have my car down for months.

Thanks for the info so far!

Storm · 06-23-2009, 12:02 PM

Limited by budget usually ends up with a broken car and no other forms of transportation. Do it right, or don't do it.

There are a great number of resources here and on nasioc where you can learn from others' mistakes. I can think of two epic quotes that sum up your situation:

"If you can't afford to do it right....you can't afford to do it."

" Cheap...Easy...Reliable....... ...Pick any 2."

**elislider** · 06-23-2009, 12:21 PM

fast/easy; cheap; quality. pick two

susiemk · 06-23-2009, 01:33 PM

I thought it was

Fast / Reliable / Cheap - pick any 2...

06-23-2009, 11:13 AM	#1 (permalink)
jeffesaurusrex 2.0L Car: 2000 STM 2.5RS 5spd Fav Mod: Stereo... :( My: Subaru Parts for sale Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Terre Haute, IN Trader Rating: (1) Posts: 95	Easy and cheap engine management... Is there such a thing? I've been studying engine management options for my turbo kit. I haven't decided whether I am going to get a Ludespeed kit or try and build a kit from OEM parts + aftermarket up/downpipes but that isn't the issue here... What I am wondering about is what can I do for an ECU? Previously I was looking at keeping the stock ECU and buying a J&S safeguard, maybe S-AFC and calling it a day but I was looking at this PerfectPower 6 ECU and I got to thinking: does this have knock control or similar already onboard? If so I can use this and it will be much less ghetto. I was thinking about getting this PP6 and the 2.5bar map sensor instead of voltage clamp, but i don't know if I can do it or not. Is it plug and play or do I have to wire the entire thing up? I am confident in my mechanical ability as far as getting the turbo installed/oil and coolant ran/ect but when it comes to electrical I fear I am fucked. Is there anything that is plug n play for under 600 bucks (about what I was going to spend for J&S safeguard/S-AFC) TL;DR: What EM options do I have that aren't a million bucks and are pretty easy to do? PS: Car is a 2000 2.5RS 5spd.

06-23-2009, 11:20 AM	#3 (permalink)
Skidd Ludicrous Mod Car: 2000RSC Fav Mod: Supercharger My: Subaru Parts for sale Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: SA-TX (Hoser Expat) Trader Rating: (4) Posts: 6,416	I got an EManage Ultimate for $400 used off of ebay. Coupled with a $20 used GM 2-Bar MAP sensor. The AEM F/IC is a "potential" option, if you're willing to risk the possibility of the misfire issue they have with "some" of our cars. __________________ No no, light speed is too slow! We need LUDICROUS SPEED! (now in Supercharged flavor)

06-23-2009, 11:30 AM	#4 (permalink)
OBSmines2010 Katy Perry Car: 2001 Outback Sport-Turbo Fav Mod: Suspension My: Subaru Parts for sale Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Fort Collins, Colorado Trader Rating: (13) Posts: 3,266	Where do you live? I am close to getting my PP6 working. The problem is that Perfect Power has crappy wiring diagrams. I have good ones including the ECU pinout for your car I can send you. __________________ Mark My Flickr Page

06-23-2009, 11:31 AM	#5 (permalink)
shaggie Premium Member Car: '00 STM RS Coupe Fav Mod: Russian, JDM CF seatbelts My: Subaru Parts for sale Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: CT Trader Rating: (1) Posts: 1,776	Search for megasquirt. __________________ Nice truck, sorry about the small penis.

06-23-2009, 12:02 PM	#8 (permalink)
Storm 2.5L RS-T My: Subaru Parts for sale Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NE Ohio Trader Rating: (22) Posts: 6,365	Limited by budget usually ends up with a broken car and no other forms of transportation. Do it right, or don't do it. There are a great number of resources here and on nasioc where you can learn from others' mistakes. I can think of two epic quotes that sum up your situation: "If you can't afford to do it right....you can't afford to do it." " Cheap...Easy...Reliable....... ...Pick any 2." __________________ Jay Storm

06-23-2009, 11:18 AM	#2 (permalink)
maxboost81 sUbiEaDDicTeD4liFe Car: 05 WRX, 96 GF Fav Mod: Boost!! My: Subaru Parts for sale Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Hopkinsville, KY Trader Rating: (1) Posts: 298	$600 could probably get you an ecotec tune or some other open source tune..

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elislider boost is fun Car: 93 L w/ v3 STi Fav Mod: da purple? My: Subaru Parts for sale Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Portland Trader Rating: (16) Posts: 2,444	fast/easy; cheap; quality. pick two

06-23-2009, 01:33 PM	#10 (permalink)
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