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DIY: 4EAT Automatic Transmission Flush

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#1 ·
This is a DIY 4EAT Automatic Transmission Fluid (ATF) flush that that I used to do on my old '97 Volvo 850 (R.I.P.). One of the bigger Volvo suppliers had a kit that you could buy along with a set of instructions, but once you knew the concept, it wasn't very hard to come up with a low-buck DIY solution. I've done this several times on the Volvo with spectacular results.
Once I got my Subaru up and running, I knew I wanted to flush out the ATF. I also knew I didn't want to pay over a hundred dollars for some unknown oil shop knucklehead to hook the car up to a machine and pump in some mystery fluids, so I decided to look into the Subaru transmission to see if the Volvo trick was applicable.

The basic concept is that since the 4EAT is just a big hydraulic pump, it can do most of the work for you. Simply intercept the ATF at some external point (on the way to the ATF oil cooler in the Volvo's case) and divert it into a collection container rather than letting it return to the transmission.
After a specified volume is collected, you add the EXACT same amount of brand new fluid back into the transmission via the dipstick. The transmission has a bit of a buffer in the amount of fluid that's contained in the sump, so the idea is to stay within that buffer by extracting and adding carefully measured amounts.

Since the 4EAT equipped Subaru's have an external oil cooler, you have your built in "intercept point". This was the key to the whole process - the trick should work!

It should be noted that there is some debate/controversy over whether or not a service like this should be done to high mileage cars with old/neglected ATF. The issue being that if you remove the old fluid, you may disrupt the fine balance that had been keeping everything working properly. The introduction of new fluid dislodges all kinds of gunk and particles that can make their way to the valve body and start wreaking havoc.
So if you've got more than 100k on the clock and have never paid any attention to the trans, or if the ATF is any color but red(ish), you may want to think twice about doing something like this. If on the other hand, you've been good about maintenance, this is a quick, inexpensive way to do a complete flush.

Here's what you'll need:
Collection jug(s) - at least 12 quarts total capacity
-clear containers are preferred so that you can easily monitor fluid levels
10 ft 3/8" ID clear tubing
3/8" rubber plugs or caps (2-4 should be fine)
Drain pan
ATF funnel
12-14 quarts of your favorite ATF


1. Prepare your Collection Bucket or Gallon Jugs and tubing
I used an old 5 gallon oil jug that I keep my waste oil in. I simply emptied it and marked it in 2 quart increments to keep track of the expelled fluid.
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This is VERY IMPORTANT! If you don't keep track of how much fluid has come out of the transmission, you can't accurately add the same amount. Automatic transmissions are pretty finicky, and it would be a very bad idea to run it with too little, or too much ATF for very long. So, whatever bucket or jugs you decide to use, be sure to mark them in 1 or 2 quart increments to measure the quantity of fluid you are exchanging.
Be sure to have some shop rags on hand as you will inevitably spill some ATF in the process.

2. Disconnect the Transmission Line at the Radiator
Crawl under the front of the car and look up at the bottom of the radiator - you'll see two rubber hoses running to either side of the radiator - these are the transmission oil cooler inlet and outlet. Driver's side is the inlet from the transmission, and the passenger side is the outlet back to the transmission.
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You can realistically hook into either line, but I chose the oil cooler outlet (passenger side) since it would require less hardware, and present less chance of contact with blazing hot transmission fluid since it just went through the "cooler". Still, be careful as you work - the fluid can still be pretty warm. Disconnect the return line from the cooler outlet by removing the hose clamp and pulling the hose. Have a plug handy and cram it into the end of the return line. Make sure your plug is pretty robust, and that it's a good fit because there's going to be a bit of vacuum on this line once you start the car.

3. Attach the Flush Hose to the Transmission Line
Slip the clear 3/8 ID hose onto the metal cooler outlet, secure it with a hose clamp, and route it to your chosen container for collecting the expelled ATF.
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The clear hose will help you to monitor the color of the fluid as you replace the old fluid with the new.

4. Start Flushing!
NOTE: When I did this in my old Volvo, I let it run until 2 quarts was expelled each time. I was hesitant to do the same with the Subaru since I wasn't sure if it would tolerate losing 2 quarts, so I played it safe and only did one quart at a time. Further research seems to indicate that losing two quarts would probably be ok, but my instructions will be for the 1 quart method.

Remove the transmission dipstick and securely place your funnel into the dipstick tube. I found that adding a length of the 3/8 hosing to the end of the funnel gave me a better connection to the dipstick tube.
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Check your routing of the clear flush hose to your collection container. If possible, have an assistant hold the hose and collection container. Apply the parking brake (car in park) and start the engine. You should see the fluid start to run through the clear hose and into your container. At idle, the ATF will pump out at a rate of about 1 quart per 30-45 seconds. Do NOT rev the engine to speed up the process.
Turn the ignition off when you have expelled 1 quart from the transmission. Then slowly add a quart of fresh ATF through the dipstick tube funnel. Repeat this process 12 times for a total flush of 12 quarts. You should see bright red ATF after flushing out 10-11 quarts, if not, you might need to do it one more time using 2 more quarts (for a total of 14 quarts used).
I also like to make a "vial" of new ATF to compare to the old fluid as I'm flushing. Just snip a 3" length of clear tubing, plug one end and fill with fresh ATF, plug the other end and leave it near your flush hose for comparison.
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5. Re-attaching the Transmission Line to the Radiator
Disconnect the clear flush hose from the transmission line. Remove the plug from the return line, and plug it back into the oil cooler. Tighten up all hardware and check for any static leaks. Wipe up any spilled fluid and prepare the used fluid for proper recycling.

6. Checking Fluid Level / Test Drive
To properly check the fluid level, the ATF should be at operating temperature as the fluid expands quite a bit when hot. Ideally, if the level was correct before your flush procedure, and you added as much as you removed, it will be close to where it was before.
Start the car and let it idle as you check over your work and make sure ATF isn't gushing out onto your floor. Now go for a gentle 10-15 mile drive, stop the car on a flat level surface, apply the brake and move the shift lever slowly from Park, through all the gears and back to Park. With the engine running at idle, re-check the fluid level and adjust as necessary. If you've driven like a normal person, you should get a pretty good measurement. If you drove like a jackass on the test drive, or if it is extremely hot outside, you may not get an accurate reading until the car has cooled off for 30 minutes.

7. Clean-up and final thoughts
Allow the clear flush hose to drain as much as possible, and store it in a plastic zip-lock bag for future use. Note in your records the date and mileage of the fluid change. You might also want to make a similar note somewhere in the engine compartment with a permanent felt tip marker. It is probably a good idea to change the ATF approx. every 20-30K miles.

That's it - happy motoring!
 
#4 · (Edited)
DIY trans flush

Did this myself today. Personally I say forget the big container; all you need are 8-10 quarts of fluid

I took the inlet (rather than outlet) hose off....and put it inside an empty quart then had a partner turn the car on and off as I said start stop (kind of like bleeding brakes)...as a quart would fill I would close it off throw it away, pour in a new quart and use that container to catch for the next round.

This way all you need are

8-10 quarts of fluid
universal funnel with thin end (97 cents at walmart for universal one)
a partner.

save space on all the useless hardware..the fluid temp was never a problem for me but one must still be careful.

asked a dealer mechanic and he said the engine could take a quart extra (above what is considered full) and could lose no more than 3 quarts below low before having any serious issues...nevertheless, I did it quart by quart because I'm anal.

Takes Dex III/Merc (8.3 quarts by spec)...I put in 10 quarts because that is how many I bought ahead of time.

Took me 20 minutes to do. Will do this far more often from now on. (now that I realize its as easy as changing oil) thanks for the write up above...definitely helpful


-side note- if anyone has recommendations on the "best" brand of ATF that would be helpful.. I just used valvoline regular dex merc from advanced auto parts...but have no knowledge of whats better than the other
 
#9 ·
So. I started this flush last night and all was going well. I got 6 quarts out. emptied one at a time and filled one at a time. Then the last (6th quart) i tried to fill through the dipstick hole would not go in. poured out all over my driveway as if it were overfilled. started the car tried to drive. Wont go. the tourque converter grabs and lets go. Shifts like crap. so i checked the dipstick level and it is still at the tippy top of the dipstick hole. I thought it must have got overfilled even though i only added 5 1/2 quarts and took out over 6. so i poured some out of the sump through the drain plug underneath the pan and at most 1 quart came out. Still no change on the level on the dipstick hole.

Any ideas why the fluid i am pouring in through the dipstick hole is not getting into the system? The sump is now virtually dry and the dipstick hole still indicated overfill.
 
#12 ·
Ok, how bad do you think it is that i let the engine run for 15 or so min with 1/3 the ATF in it? Also drove it in first and second gear about 1/2 mile. It did not make scraping noises and shifted, so it obviously wasn't completely out. Any potential damage to the torque converter? I never spun it up past 3,000 rpm. The ATF is now filled up properly ( front diff fluid also replaced) but I'm afraid to drive it if there could be damage.
 
#13 ·
I woyldnt recommend driving with 1/3 atf. Auto tranny is quite sensitive in those aspects. You may not feel any difference (at first at least) but the wear it will create on the moving parts will be ecssesive.

Since atf is mainly used for the torque (which is basiclly a viscous coupling) and for the valve body, with less oil your torque converter will be useless since not enough viscousity is present and the valves have less oil to push on so theyll be pushing on air witch fills the missing amount of oil, and the gears wont shift right. (Air is compressible, while liquids are not, so the valves simply compress the air).

Once again, you may not feel these things at first so i suggest to recheck, redo, retest every thing once again.
 
#15 ·
I have the same question as JayGold.

As well, has anyone tried sticking the intake into a jug of fresh ATF and flushing it that way? That seems fairly straightforward but I'm worried about air getting into the system from the intake.
 
#16 ·
Theres a method on flushing the atf and it works quite well. Havnt done it my self but a buddy of mine did. From the radiators botyom part you have 2 hoses. One is for passing the atf to the rad and one is back to the tranny. Ondo both yhe hoses, put one end in a bucket or container yhat can withstand at least 8qts of liquid and the other (the intake) in fresh bucket/can/whatever with fresh fluid. Now simply start the car and (advised for 2 men job) follow the fluid flow. Once from the outtake the fluid comes clean shutdown the car and clamp back the hoses. Basically you will be performing a tranny flush at home conditions, using the trannys pump.
 
#17 ·
I just bought a 99 obs and it has 145K miles on it and i want to change the ATF. i had a toyota camry before and it never really shifted as hard as the subaru but my friend has a nissan altima and it shifts harder than the subaru. I would like to change it just be safe but i don't want to disrupt anything?
 
#18 ·
check the fluid. If it's dark and gritty, don't. If it's not super-dark and still smooth, I would do it. As far as I know, the only issue with high-mileage replacements is if the friction material has degraded and is now in suspension in the fluid. If that's not the case, you should be fine.

Disclaimer: I'm not a psychic nor a subaru genius.
 
#20 ·
If the fluid has never been changed, you're better off doing a regular drain and refill for the first time. Refill with fresh fluid and drive some miles, then do the full flush, you'll get a lot more of the old nasty fluid out this way than by doing 3 drains & refills and get more deposits out than a plain static flush.

I've used Mobil 1 in the past but am not in the mood to pay that price again for what I consider to be a just-okay fluid, does anyone have recommendations for a quality fluid at any price or another okay fluid that isn't outrageous?
 
#21 ·
For ATF, I use OEM fluid. I might change to some Redline or Motul fluid when I start to drive this car harder, but for now I got OEM due to my general feeling that OEM is designed best for longevity. That said, I do have a good relationship with my local dealer's parts department, so I get damn near wholesale prices on everything. $5 filters, $5 a quart ATF, $6 wiper blades, etc. If I had to pay MSRP I might have a different mentality.
 
#22 · (Edited)
Reviving an old but very useful thread. Gonna be doing a full flush on my 99 GF8 soon when I replace the leaky radiator. Had a question tho...

How worried should one be about air getting into the lines when reconnecting the transmission lines to the radiator? Seems inevitable that some air will get into the line as you reconnect everything. Or is there something built into the system that self bleeds the air out?

ALSO, one more question that was asked but not answered: At what point in the flush process are you supposed to replace the transmission filter? Before flushing begins or after all fluid has been replaced?
 
#23 · (Edited)
Anyone? Want to flush the transmission fluid soon but don't want to introduce air into the system.

EDIT: Ok, so I have done a bunch of searching and the consensus seems to be that any air you introduce into the system by draining the fluid out from the cooler lines and reconnecting them afterward will be purged out from the dipstick tube. This was my first thought but I was being overly cautious. So for anyone else who finds this thread and wonders the same thing, there's your answer. If this information is inaccurate please correct me.